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Re: Biggles in Africa

Post by kylie_koyote » Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:28 pm

Re: Biggles in Africa
Postby Frecks » 03 Jul 2014, 08:08

When they were away on adventures they were all sleeping etc. in the same tent so they would wash together then. Men also do not mind sharing toilet facilities either. I would not want to put any unfortunate connotation into Algy and Ginger's relationship.
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Re: Biggles in Africa

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Postby Tommy Smith » 03 Jul 2014, 11:50

Nice to see attention to personal hygiene is right up there with cigarette consumption. I'm also dipping in to novels of that era and have read the first Saint one and blow me down if he doesn't chase villains through this village again. Might have passed Biggles et al going in the other direction...
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Re: Biggles in Africa

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Re: Biggles in Africa
Postby Frecks » 03 Jul 2014, 12:38

I have not read any Saint books. How many sidekicks did he have? I have very vague memories of Roger Moore playing the Saint on TV but I do not remember any sidekicks.
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Re: Biggles in Africa

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Postby Kismet » 03 Jul 2014, 12:46

The Saint had a variable number of sidekicks: they'd be faithful for a while and then go off and get married and become respectable.

Some of the TV episodes were based, I believe on some of the short stories. Other scripts were edited by the author into books and published under his name!
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Re: Biggles in Africa

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Postby Kismet » 03 Jul 2014, 13:37

Tommy Smith wrote:
Nice to see attention to personal hygiene is right up there with cigarette consumption. I'm also dipping in to novels of that era and have read the first Saint one and blow me down if he doesn't chase villains through this village again. Might have passed Biggles et al going in the other direction...


Do you have a lot of villains in your part of the country? All we get are walkers.
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Postby Tommy Smith » 03 Jul 2014, 13:52

Er, well, I've had quite an exciting time of it...
and am beginning to spot a trend.
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Re: Biggles in Africa

Post by Marinette » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:54 pm

Ok, so I've started Africa Today, and I'm glad to see it's not only my vivid imagination when reading in a foreign language.

I actually deducted from the "shining faces" part that they might have shaved together, as men did in the 30s before going down to breakfast, and to Biggles disappointment they didn't care to dress up as they would be expected to.

I actually found him (Biggles) really grumpy that morning, which made me think that the dressing-gowns were already really inappropriate.

Also in Africa, I would need somebody's help in understanding this:
Algy pulled the toast-rack and the marmalade within easy reach. 'Go ahead,' he said cheerfully, 'I'm all ears.'
'There is no need for you to advertise what anyone looking at you could hardy fail to see,' murmured Biggles pointedly.
Is Biggles refering to Algy's ears? :o
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Yes, I believe he is. :lol:
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I am also under the impression that when Biggles says something about running a care home for inebriates, he is inferring that Algy and Ginger were late to wake up and get ready because they were, perhaps, *slightly* hungover.
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Re: Biggles in Africa

Post by Kismet » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:46 pm

Marinette wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:54 pm


Also in Africa, I would need somebody's help in understanding this:
Algy pulled the toast-rack and the marmalade within easy reach. 'Go ahead,' he said cheerfully, 'I'm all ears.'
'There is no need for you to advertise what anyone looking at you could hardy fail to see,' murmured Biggles pointedly.
Is Biggles refering to Algy's ears? :o
Biggles is being his usual, opportunistically-sarcastic self. 'I'm all ears,' is a slang term for indicating that the person is listening. Biggles is twisting this into an insult suggesting that Algy has big ears. This may, or may not actually be the case. I would suspect not, as it's not very nice to make fun of someone's physical characteristics and Biggles is sarcastic (frequently) rather than an unpleasant bully, in my opinion.
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Re: Biggles in Africa

Post by Marinette » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:05 pm

Thanks Kismet and Kylie_koyote. This is exactly the kind of subtlety that I still find hard to catch when reading in English and in pages like these they define the characters.

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Glad I could help! I ask a lot of questions about the meaning of certain phrases myself, as the American and British terms don't always line up exactly.
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Re: Biggles in Africa

Post by Kismet » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:49 pm

I love language and words so I'm always happy to express my opinion / interpretation. Glad to have been of help.
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Marinette wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:05 pm
This is exactly the kind of subtlety that I still find hard to catch when reading in English
Not helped by the fact that the writing is at times... somewhat archaic. Even as an Englishman I double take every time one of the crew 'ejaculates' :lol: but that's just me being childish.

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Xenol1997 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:59 am
Marinette wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:05 pm
This is exactly the kind of subtlety that I still find hard to catch when reading in English
Not helped by the fact that the writing is at times... somewhat archaic. Even as an Englishman I double take every time one of the crew 'ejaculates' :lol: but that's just me being childish.
Not only you, X1997. We're all have a childish sense of humour. :wink: The writing is slightly archaic but I'd hate it to be any other way. The books have been messed about enough as it is. But we're all happy to translate for everybody.
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Re: Biggles in Africa

Post by RAAF Spitfire Girl » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:56 am

kylie+kyote wrote: I don't find it particularly strange that two men share a bathroom. As your reading shows, it was quite common. And certainly men in the forces would have no hangups about joint ablutions, they can't afford to. It's only fairly recently that this action has had questionable connotations put upon it.
Have only read this thread right through for the first time this morning :-) When I was in the Australian Air Force (back in the days when service personnel actually lived communally on the base), I shared a room with one or two other girls. We managed to dress in one another's company without embarrassment (usually by turning our backs on one another for stripping off and donning undies) and we all shared the ablution block including showers. Casting my mind back to my early childhood, I know that my three much older brothers shared one large bedroom and as that house only had one bathroom (fortunately the toilet was in a separate area) they, along with my father, must have worked together to bath and shave and all leave for work on time.

Maybe my childhood family experiences, together with my service experience, has meant that I accepted these instances in the books without question.

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Post by Marinette » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:41 pm

Now that you say that, when I was in the Navy I shared a 4-bed room "en suite" with a smaller room with three washbasins with two other volunteers (girls, obviously). We would use it at the same time, mostly in our underwear.

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I now have a picture of Biggles and co wandering around the flat as they wait for their turn at the bathroom in their undies. Thank you, Marinette. Lots of saggy cotton and silk as elastic technology was much less developed back then. I need more coffee.
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Post by kylie_koyote » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:37 pm

Biggles comes out of the bathroom in the morning in Noble Lord, to answer the telephone, just beating Algy to it. It doesn't say what he was wearing.
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Re: Biggles in Africa

Post by Kismet » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:49 pm

kylie_koyote wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:37 pm
Biggles comes out of the bathroom in the morning in Noble Lord, to answer the telephone, just beating Algy to it. It doesn't say what he was wearing.
Shaving foam? It doesn't say what Algy is wearing, either. My unwanted image is intact.
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Post by Marinette » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:55 pm

Kismet wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:20 pm
I now have a picture of Biggles and co wandering around the flat as they wait for their turn at the bathroom in their undies. Thank you, Marinette. Lots of saggy cotton and silk as elastic technology was much less developed back then. I need more coffee.
Ok, so this is how Victor Hubinon, Belgian comic-book artist, draw a similar scene in 1954. The characters are American pilots, and the scene takes place in the barracks during the Korean war.
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And 5 years later (same characters):
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Hope it helps with the unwanted image :wink:

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Post by Kismet » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:07 pm

Saggy. Especially the vests. I remember the introduction of lycra into underwear. Well, the introduction of lycra into clothes in general. Fantastic stuff.
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Re: Biggles in Africa

Post by Marinette » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:27 pm

I kind of like it this way :-)

And at least they're not naked :wink:

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