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Re: Ginger Fans

Post by kylie_koyote » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:49 pm

He’s my favorite too. I love the interwar books the most, followed by the WW2 stories.

In the post-war ones, he can get a bit annoying because WEJ refuses to let him age, so he’s still quite naive, despite allegedly being in his 30s and 40s...
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Post by Frecks » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:06 pm

Ginger is just the same in the early Air Police books but he changes in the later books and loses a lot of his charm. Ginger is my favourite character and I too love him in the inter war books, the WW2 books and the early Air Police books. I love the way he tries to protect Biggles and always thinks of his companions before himself.

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Post by Foolscap » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:39 pm

Ginger was probably the character who drew me in to the books in the first place...Baltic, flies south and flies west, being early ones I read. Identified more with him than with the others...sometimes a little out of his depth, but endlessly curious and loyal and willing to get involved, regardless of personal risk.
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Post by Marinette » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:50 pm

My first all took place during WWII, and I loved them mostly thanks to him. Also, he reminds me strongly of another red-head that I love in another fiction, Buck Danny's friend Sonny Tuckson (not sure if this is translated into English).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Danny

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Post by kylie_koyote » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:49 pm

Ah ha!

This article says redheads look, on average, two years younger than they really are.

There is a scientific reason Ginger doesn’t age properly!

http://www.ladbible.com/news/interestin ... 7307177434
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Post by Xenol1997 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:17 pm

Just finished reading 'Biggles In Spain' – Should have Ginger in Spain, lots of great moments. I like the part where we gets chased by a 'decapod'/octapus across a beach in 'Air Commodore', classic bit of WEJ's overactive imagination haha

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Post by kylie_koyote » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:16 pm

Oh yes! I love both of those!
Ginger shines in both of them. He really does well in all the inter-war books. It’s only in the later SAP stories that he fades a bit.
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Post by Marinette » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:16 am

In Spain really sets the character, I think. Plus we get to see Ginger really on his own when he is fighting with the volunteers. Now that I have read Black Peril and the novels after, I will probably re-read it with more context.

And also, at the beginning, on the ship, Biggles tries to protect Ginger from seeing the bloody mess after the first bombing. I found that really cute.

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Post by kylie_koyote » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:35 pm

Biggles continues trying to protect Ginger from seeing yucky things, even as late as In Australia.

It’s really quite sweet.
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Post by Marinette » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:52 pm

Well, wouldn't you protect your 15 year old (going on 30)? ;-)

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Post by Fairblue » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:52 pm

kylie_koyote wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:35 pm
Biggles continues trying to protect Ginger from seeing yucky things, even as late as In Australia.

It’s really quite sweet.
Personally, I find it a bit annoying. He was big enough to be a fighter pilot so should be grown up by now. But I'll blame WEJ for that.
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Post by Frecks » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:04 pm

Yes that is what I find so annoying about the later books.

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Post by Wanderer » Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:04 pm

Personally, I find it a bit annoying. He was big enough to be a fighter pilot so should be grown up by now. But I'll blame WEJ for that.
Its almost as if at some stage Ginger has suffered some deeply emotional trauma that Biggles feels responsible about and is overcompensating for. I must continue Casualties of War when I find the time....

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Post by Marinette » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:43 pm

I'd say Biggles has suffered being a teenager when he started fighting during WWI and he's trying to protect Ginger going through the same rough times...

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Post by Frecks » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:01 pm

Yes I agree that is what he is doing in the early books and Ginger hero worships Biggles and wants to save him. When Biggles tries to leave him behind he just follows on to try and protect him. This works very well in the early books but not so well in the 1950s books.

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Re: Ginger Fans

Post by Foolscap » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:49 pm

Wanderer wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:04 pm
Personally, I find it a bit annoying. He was big enough to be a fighter pilot so should be grown up by now. But I'll blame WEJ for that.
Its almost as if at some stage Ginger has suffered some deeply emotional trauma that Biggles feels responsible about and is overcompensating for. I must continue Casualties of War when I find the time....
Oh, please do...a bit of a cliffhanger there:-) Have you moved the tale across yet?
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Re: Ginger Fans

Post by Fairblue » Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:12 pm

Marinette wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:43 pm
I'd say Biggles has suffered being a teenager when he started fighting during WWI and he's trying to protect Ginger going through the same rough times...
An interesting thought and absolutely spot on for the Inter-war years, but after WW2 Ginger is as war-hardened as the others and Biggles should be well aware of that.
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Re: Ginger Fans

Post by Kismet » Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:33 am

Fairblue wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:12 pm
Marinette wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:43 pm
I'd say Biggles has suffered being a teenager when he started fighting during WWI and he's trying to protect Ginger going through the same rough times...
An interesting thought and absolutely spot on for the Inter-war years, but after WW2 Ginger is as war-hardened as the others and Biggles should be well aware of that.
I think Biggles is well aware that Ginger is war hardened and very well able to cope with nasty sights but his protectiveness is more about his inability to let others do the yucky stuff than Ginger's ability to deal with the gore. Biggles is protective towards others and takes on responsibility for them very easily.
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