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Defies the Swastika

Post by kylie_koyote » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:12 pm

Postby Inactive User 149 » 31 Oct 2013, 09:25

Just looking at the start of this book and it says Biggles had been in France commanding a Special Squadron with Algy and Ginger as two of his officers. What a shame WEJ did not pursue this idea. We could have had some early fighting and they could even have been around during Dunkirk. It always seemed strange that they flew in other countries but they were not in France at the beginning of WW11. I think in Spitfire Parade it said Bertie was stationed in France at the beginning of the war.
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Re: Defies the Swastika

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Postby SaintedAunt » 31 Oct 2013, 12:57

Well, whatever else Biggles & Co were up to, they did spend a short time in the Baltic :)
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Yeah it would have been interesting what would have happened, because France was overrun pretty quickly (in just over a month according to wikipedia) so it would have been interesting what manouveres they would have pulled to stay alive and get back to blighty each time. "Biggles defies the Swastika" has always been one of my favourites.
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It always seemed strange that they flew in other countries but they were not in France at the beginning of WW11.

Not sure it was world war eleven lol! :P
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Re: Defies the Swastika

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by Inactive User 149 » 01 Nov 2013, 04:40

No I would hope not :roll:
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Re: Defies the Swastika

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by Inactive User 149 » 07 Nov 2013, 05:51

Reading this again along with Baltic and Sees It Through I think WEJ really made Biggles a "larger than life hero" in all three books. Of course they were actually written at the beginning of the war and would probably have been more inspirational to youngsters than Spitfire Parade as any Biggles fan at the time would have quickly realised that the stories were just updated versions of the the First World War stories.
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Re: Defies the Swastika

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Re: Biggles Defies the Swastika
Postby SopwithCamel » 07 Nov 2013, 11:41

This is one of my favorites, but I've often wondered how it was that Biggles actually thought he could talk to Erich on the phone and not be recognized! (And strange that he actually seems to have not recognized Biggles' voice.)

I always found it funny that Biggles was expected to run around Norway looking for himself, although I cringe everytime they ask him if he remembers "himself", so to speak, and he deliberately messes up his own name--despite the fact that he remembered Ginger's perfectly less than a second ago.
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Postby kylie_koyote » 16 Jan 2014, 13:20

In "Defies the Swastika", Biggles says that he tested some planes for the British Government in America with a view to purchase them.

To the best of my knowledge, this is never mentioned in any other book.

Any guesses as to when this might have fallen in the already murky chronology of the interwar books?

I was always disappointed that Biggles never had any adventures in America, apart from the occasional passage through NYC en route to somewhere else. I think Ginger would've loved a trip to New York or Chicago.
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Re: Defies the Swastika

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Re: Defies the Swastika - comment/question
Postby Fairblue » 16 Jan 2014, 13:27

I've thought the same myself, KK. Ginger would have loved a visit to the States. Perhaps there's a fanfic brewing somewhere? :D
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Postby Kismet » 16 Jan 2014, 13:35

Biggles mentions testing too in 'Forms a Syndicate' with a context of both RAF and early days of aviation. In Secret Mission / Air Commodore he mentions that an inventor consulted him on a technical issue before submitting his design to the Air Ministry.
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Re: Defies the Swastika

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by kylie_koyote » 16 Jan 2014, 13:38

Kismet wrote:
Biggles mentions testing two in 'Forms a Syndicate' with a context of both RAF and early days of aviation. In Secret Mission / Air Commodore he mentions that an inventor consulted him on a technical issue before submitting his design to the Air Ministry.


But not the part about it being in the USA, right? Or am I mis-remembering?
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by Kismet » 16 Jan 2014, 13:42

kylie_koyote wrote:
Kismet wrote:
Biggles mentions testing two in 'Forms a Syndicate' with a context of both RAF and early days of aviation. In Secret Mission / Air Commodore he mentions that an inventor consulted him on a technical issue before submitting his design to the Air Ministry.


But not the part about it being in the USA, right? Or am I mis-remembering?


No location given, but I would be surprised if it was the States. Maybe he did it just as a short term freelance favour whilst looking for / awaiting delivery of a machine across there, and bulked it up a bit on his fake CV.
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by kylie_koyote » 16 Jan 2014, 13:51

In "Charter Pilot" they must have passed through. Ginger tells one story of some threat to humanity where Biggles contacts the US Department of Agriculture to tell them about it and they send assistance.
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Re: Defies the Swastika - comment/question
Postby Kismet » 16 Jan 2014, 14:16

In 'in Mexico' Bertie and Algy stay in San Francisco (at their own request rather than stay in England) whilst Biggles and Ginger go on to Eltora.
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by kylie_koyote » 16 Jan 2014, 14:25

Kismet wrote:
In 'in Mexico' Bertie and Algy stay in San Francisco (at their own request rather than stay in England) whilst Biggles and Ginger go on to Eltora.


That's right! I forgot about that. Too bad they don't have any adventures there (that we hear about).
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Postby Crazy Man Michael » 16 Jan 2014, 14:49

Like the time Algy got himself into an embarrassing situation in a gay bar in 'Frisco when he asked the bartender to supply him with twenty fags....
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by Fairblue » 16 Jan 2014, 14:54

Crazy Man Michael wrote:
Like the time Algy got himself into an embarrassing situation in a gay bar in 'Frisco when he asked the bartender to supply him with twenty fags....

:laughspit:
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by kylie_koyote » 16 Jan 2014, 14:59

Likewise. LOL.
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Postby Kismet » 16 Jan 2014, 15:30

I'm spitting coffee, too.
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by tiffinata » 16 Jan 2014, 16:33

joining in the spitting coffee lol.
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by Fairblue » 16 Jan 2014, 16:36

tiffinata wrote:
joining in the spitting coffee lol.
what a mucky lot we seem to be. :lol:
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by SaintedAunt » 16 Jan 2014, 18:27

To return to the topic ;) Biggles was probably just faking his CV. He does say he worked in Canada for Arctic Airways, and has to pretend he met himself :lol: along with then having to look for himself :roll:

Swastika really is a super book :D
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by Inactive User 149 » 17 Jan 2014, 04:29

Yes I love Swastika too. Where is your Avatar from Kismet - who are the two chaps. Is it Algy and Bertie your favourites?
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by Kismet » 17 Jan 2014, 06:30

Jenny Rob wrote:
Yes I love Swastika too. Where is your Avatar from Kismet - who are the two chaps. Is it Algy and Bertie your favourites?


Yes, I think it's Algy and Bertie. It's cropped from a picture in Forms a Syndicate. Algy and Biggles are my favourites but I've not come across a picture I like of Biggles's face yet.
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by SaintedAunt » 17 Jan 2014, 06:38

My favourite picture of Biggles is the one on the Oxford flying jacket covers. I think that one is the nearest to how I imagine him. BTW, I love your quote - is it from Sees it Through?
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by Inactive User 149 » 17 Jan 2014, 06:43

I have never seen a good photo of Biggles certainly not with any of the others. I just wish there had been a good illustration somewhere of all of them. I often wonder who the officers were on the photo Angus had with him in Takes A Holiday something like that would have made a good illustration.
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